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Italians win World Cup but few admirers

 

 


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Jul 10, 2006, 12:26 PM

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http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5771224

"But this was no way to win a World Cup."



I happen to agree with the above quote. Penalty shoot outs are not the way to decide the World Champion. But at the same time, I think a lot of critics world wide are simply biased against Italians. Because so many critics said the way Brazil won in 1994 was just fine. But when Italy wins the exact same way, critics say it's not right. That really makes no sense.


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Jul 10, 2006, 1:04 PM

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nope...not very consistent ...i agree


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Jul 10, 2006, 3:57 PM

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controversy, yes, CONTROVERSY. You should ask a disgraceful player called Materazzi. He should be able to answer you why.

Some people might say that it wasnt a convincing win, and some might oppose to that.

After all it was the final match, ofcourse the tension was built to the highest. You never know what a player would do to have his team won.


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Jul 10, 2006, 4:51 PM

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This Italy team cannot be compared to past winners. I am not being baised against Italy, but I think the way they played in this world cup was disgraceful. They really opened up the concept of acting in soccer. Yes, it has been seen many times before, but never too this extend. I saw a video a couple weeks ago of them having practice and all they working on was falling down and making it believeable. Bringing this mentallity to the game is just sick. Soccer is and never will be drama performance. My best example can be from the Italy vs. Australia game. Australia was in command of the game and about to knock of Italy. With seconds left their forward literally falls in the box to earn the PK. One way this problem can be stopped is adding another referee. In this time of diving and falling, it is impossible for one referee to see everything. Soccer needs to do something about this wide epidemic b/c it is ruining the wonderful game of soccer.


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Jul 10, 2006, 5:09 PM

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oh shut up ya' cunt. your just pissed on because italy knocked out united states. every team dove the whole fuckin' cup. you wanna complain about a team, complain about portugal.


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Jul 10, 2006, 5:32 PM

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Spoken with such class. I feel sorry for people whose vocabulary consists of purely trashy words. We are talking about football and if you can't handle somebody elses opinion on the WC then don't bother posting, there is no need for fowl language. If you resond to this, thats fine cause I am not even gonna bother checkging this line again...but myself and surely the majority of the posters will think you are the loser with a infant mentality. Grow-up, be a man and stop being a little schoolboy.


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Jul 10, 2006, 7:15 PM

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oh shut up ya' cunt. your just pissed on because italy knocked out united states. every team dove the whole fuckin' cup. you wanna complain about a team, complain about portugal.


I am tired of you uneducated-foul-mannered bunch of children who cant deal with others' opinion except expressing yourselves with explicit ill-mannered language.


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Jul 10, 2006, 8:41 PM

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Hi,
can anyone tell me which Italian player was first up to collect medal after World Cup final please?


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Jul 10, 2006, 11:07 PM

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  The only few admirers are the ones rooting for France. Let them live with their jealousy for 4 years. The only disgrace in the game was Zidane - a professional who couldn't keep his cool. Funny how you talk about Italy diving you should relly watch the game from both sides and you will see that ALL the players do it - France did it to get the penalty kick...but of course its best to dump on Italy then to be unbiased. In the end your tears, your whining, your jealousy can't change the result...Italy 2006 World Champions...I would love to write some more but I have to go celebrate now...ciao


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Jul 11, 2006, 12:01 AM

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Oh god, another idiot who wants to talk about soccer, but has no clue. there are only 2 teams that went overbaord with diving: Italia (as usuall) and Portugal after extensive training with the Diving instructor himself: Felipe Scolari.

And whoever this wanker is, who watched his first WC ever and wants to start judging. Look at Italias Penalty against Oz and buy new glasses or shut up if you have no clue. I am no fan of France, but I want to see soccer and not acting anr/or diving.


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Jul 11, 2006, 12:21 AM

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Italy had 1 dive in this tournament (Grosso's in the Second Round). France also had a dive in this tournament (in the Final, which gave them a penalty kick as Zidane gave France a 1-0 lead).

How can you bash Italy, but not France? They are both guilty of the exact same thing!


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Jul 11, 2006, 1:58 AM

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lads, if there is one team you shouldn't bash on because of diving, then it is france. They had a regular goal not given in one match (i think against south corea), which would have changed much in the event. They went on to defeat spain, brasil & portugal in a very impressive manner. How can you seriously compare the 2 penalties or teams. It completly something else, when a defender slides into you while your are running at top speed and when a defender is lying on the ground and the Italian is uncapable of jumping. Open your eyes...!!!


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Jul 11, 2006, 11:19 AM

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Only two teams that dive are Italy and Portugal???

I am sure you hadn't watch Balack on Germany take numerous dives and pretend like he was shot. The Germany/Argentina game, the Arentinian defender touched his shoulder in the box, Balack went down like a rock crying like he got hit with an elbow. Did the same against Italy/Germany game when he clearly fouled Grosso when they went up in the air together. Grosso didnt even touch this poor mans face and he went down like a ton of bricks. Oh, and the France/Italy pentalty shot...oh yah, that was totally different than the "dive" Grosso did. The Australian at least made deliberate contact. The Frenchman was scared of getting tackled so he flew over.

spare me, all of you.


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Jul 11, 2006, 2:38 PM

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How can you seriously compare the 2 penalties or teams. It completly something else, when a defender slides into you while your are running at top speed and when a defender is lying on the ground and the Italian is uncapable of jumping. Open your eyes...!!!


You are truly being ridiculous. No Italian player even made contact with the French player when dived.


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Jul 11, 2006, 2:44 PM

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lads, if there is one team you shouldn't bash on because of diving, then it is france. They had a regular goal not given in one match (i think against south corea), which would have changed much in the event. They went on to defeat spain, brasil & portugal in a very impressive manner. .



-France did have a perfectly good goal called off in the first round against Korea. But Italy also had a perfectly good goal called off in the Final against France.

-An Italian player did dive to get a penalty kick in the Second Round. But a French player also dived to get a penalty kick in the Final.

-France beat Brazil, Spain, and Portugal in impressive wins. But Italy beat Germany, Czech Republic and Ukraine in impressive wins.


Many people are bashing Italy for the same things their own team does. They're just biased against Italians - which I would call prejudice.


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Jul 12, 2006, 9:22 AM

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You should try looking at the penalty in the Italy v Australia match which was legit. Neil slide in front of the player and interfered with the play in the rule book it is known as "Impeding the Progress of an Opponent" and deliberately raised his arm to further obstruct the player. So jackass you shouldn't start judging after watching a couple of clips from the WC. Go to your local park and watch the little kids play and move up from there.


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Jul 12, 2006, 11:14 AM

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The French "Football" players are beautiful to watch and the Italian "Football" player are really dirty My two cents

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You should try looking at the penalty in the Italy v Australia match which was legit. Neil slide in front of the player and interfered with the play in the rule book it is known as "Impeding the Progress of an Opponent" and deliberately raised his arm to further obstruct the player. So jackass you shouldn't start judging after watching a couple of clips from the WC. Go to your local park and watch the little kids play and move up from there.



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Jul 13, 2006, 12:21 AM

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  You have to love soccer because everyone has a different opinion and it elicits such emotion from everyone. When your team doesn't win you'll find a reason to hate the winner...just human nature.


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Jul 26, 2006, 5:11 AM

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"Penalty Kicks are no way to win a World Cup." I'd say that's fair statement..... But were PKs a way for Argentina to eliminate Italy in the 1990 Semi-Final? Were PKs a way for Brazil to beat Italy in the 1994 Final? Were PKs a way for France to eliminate Italy in the 1998 Quarter-Final? No.

So why do you criticize Italy for winning in a PK shoot out, but not criticize Argentina, Brazil or France when they eliminated Italy the exact same way?
Italy clearly would have lifted the 1994 World Cup trophy if that shoot-out went the other way around. And who knows what Italy would have gone on to do if the 1990 Semi-Final and the 1998 Quarter-Final PK shoot-outs went the other way around? I'd say that with all the bad luck Italy's had in the past on PK shoot-outs, it's fair that they finally won one. And hey, with a 1-3 records on PK shoot-outs, it's hardly evened out for Italy, has it? I also think it would be fair if England finally wins a PK shoot-out in the next World Cup, as they've had so much bad luck on PK shoot-outs in the past.

Penalty shoot-outs are the same thing each and every time. They are like tossing a coin in the air. When you have a PK shoot-out of one World Cup team against another World Cup, only luck decides the final result. Despite Trezeguet's miss in the 2006 Final, everyone on the planet knows he's capable of scoring on a penalty kick. Despite Baggio's miss in the 1994 Final, everyone on the planet knew he was capable of scoring on a penalty kick. Like I said, only luck decides the final result


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Jul 26, 2006, 5:22 AM

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I am not being baised against Italy, but I think the way they played in this world cup was disgraceful. They really opened up the concept of acting in soccer. Yes, it has been seen many times before, but never too this extend. .


That's just 100% pure bull$hit.... Italy had just ONE moment in this tournament when they were criticized of a dive (when Fabio Grosso fell in front of Neill in the Second Round match against Australia, which earned Italy a Penalty that Totti took and won the game by). But when you look at the replay, it's not even clear if it really was a dive or a true trip. Grosso was running full speed, and Neill slid down directly in his way. And Neill didn't just slide and freeze as a wall when landed, he rolled towards Grosso and lifted his arm. I know that when you're running full speed like Grosso was, it's very difficult to come to a complete stop on a second's notice. It is definitely possible it was a real trip.

But when Florent Malouda dived for France in the Final against Italy, it was 100% CLEARLY a dive. There literally was not even contact on Malouda. I repeat, MALOUDA FELL TO THE GROUND WHEN NOBODY EVEN TOUCHED HIM!!! But critics keep their mouth shut about Malouda's dive, and still bash Grosso for what you really can't even tell if it was a dive or not.


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I saw a video a couple weeks ago of them having practice and all they working on was falling down and making it believeable.


Really? Is this video on the internet? I'd like to see it!


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My best example can be from the Italy vs. Australia game. Australia was in command of the game and about to knock of Italy. With seconds left their forward literally falls in the box to earn the PK.



1. First off, Fabio Grosso is a defender, not a forward. Second, that was not a dive. Lucas Neill used his left hand to trip Grosso by the left ankle. Therefore it was a deserved penalty kick. Look at the replay in slow motion and see for yourself
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k2PgG8j0gyQ&mode=related&search


2. Australia was not in command. It's ridiculous to say Australia was "about to knock out Italy" when after 90 minutes the score was still 0-0. Italy was playing a man down through the entire second-half (because of an undeserved red card). It's true Australia did have more possession in the second half (which should expected when they're playing a man up), but Italy still created the better chances.


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The socceroos have lost, defeated by the italians...man~ admit it!


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This Italy team cannot be compared to past winners. I am not being baised against Italy, but I think the way they played in this world cup was disgraceful. They really opened up the concept of acting in soccer. Yes, it has been seen many times before, but never too this extend. I saw a video a couple weeks ago of them having practice and all they working on was falling down and making it believeable. Bringing this mentallity to the game is just sick. Soccer is and never will be drama performance.


Is this the video you're talking about??
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sg2LelndFyM&mode=related&search=

THAT VIDEO IS A JOKE!!!!! Those are not the Italians players or coaches. Calling them "Italian" players is just something said by someone biased against Italians. I don't know who the players in that video are, but I can definitely confirm they're not players or coaches from the national team of Italy.


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My best example can be from the Italy vs. Australia game. Australia was in command of the game and about to knock of Italy. With seconds left their forward literally falls in the box to earn the PK.



WRONG. The replays prove Fabio Grosso did not dive. Lucas Neill used hand to trip Grosso. See for yourself:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k2PgG8j0gyQ&mode=related&search


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I am not being baised against Italy, .


I'd argue that.


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My best example can be from the Italy vs. Australia game. Australia was in command of the game and about to knock of Italy.



People biased against Italy would like to think that. But it simply is not true.

Look at the reality of what that day, after Materazzi was (wrongfully) given a Red Card
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VhDV5kajBP0&mode=related&search=


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Australia was in command of the game and about to knock of Italy.


Australia played the whole second half a man up (due to an underserved Red Card), yet they managed just 1 shot on goal the whole second half!!!!!!!!! Now how the hell is that being "in command", or "about to knock out Italy"??????


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This Italy team cannot be compared to past winners. I am not being baised against Italy, but I think the way they played in this world cup was disgraceful. They really opened up the concept of acting in soccer. Yes, it has been seen many times before, but never too this extend. I saw a video a couple weeks ago of them having practice and all they working on was falling down and making it believeable. Bringing this mentallity to the game is just sick. Soccer is and never will be drama performance. My best example can be from the Italy vs. Australia game. Australia was in command of the game and about to knock of Italy. With seconds left their forward literally falls in the box to earn the PK.


So you're saying that based on that one moment Italy was accused of diving (even though replays prove it clearly was not a dive), they "opened up diving idea of acting in soccer"???????????

Oh, no, it wasn't just based on that moment.... It was also based on this video of "Italians" practicing diving http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sg2LelndFyM&mode=related&search= , even though those clearly are not members of the Italian squad!!!!!!! Calling them Italian players is just bull$hit created by people who like to accuse Italians of things they're not guilty for!!!!!


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This Italy team cannot be compared to past winners. I am not being baised against Italy, but I think the way they played in this world cup was disgraceful. They really opened up the concept of acting in soccer. Yes, it has been seen many times before, but never too this extend. I saw a video a couple weeks ago of them having practice and all they working on was falling down and making it believeable. Bringing this mentallity to the game is just sick. Soccer is and never will be drama performance. My best example can be from the Italy vs. Australia game. Australia was in command of the game and about to knock of Italy. With seconds left their forward literally falls in the box to earn the PK. One way this problem can be stopped is adding another referee. In this time of diving and falling, it is impossible for one referee to see everything. Soccer needs to do something about this wide epidemic b/c it is ruining the wonderful game of soccer.




1. Look at the replay of the incident you reference in the Italy vs Australia match
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k2PgG8j0gyQ&mode=related&search
It is obvious Fabio Grosso did not dive. Lucas Neill clearly used his left hand to trip Grosso..... The only way you would see that as a dive, is if you want to see it as dive - if you want to believe Italy's victories are not deserved, and you are able to kid yourself into believing it.

2. The video you reference of the Italian squad practicing diving is bogus
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sg2LelndFyM&mode=related&search=
Those are not Italian players or coaches. I don't know who they are, but I can definitely confirm they are not part of the Italian squad..... The person who added it to YouTube and titled it "How Italy gets coached" is obviously biased against Italians, and knows that he or she is lying to call them "Italians."

Now, may I remind you the moment you referenced in the Italy vs Australia match is the only moment in this tournament when Italy was accused of diving (even though the replays prove it was not a dive).... So for you to take that one moment, and take that one bogus online video, and stretch them into saying "the way Italy played was disgraceful, they opened up the concept of acting in soccer to a sick extend never seen before" proves that you are biased against Italians - and you look for excuses to criticize Italians, regardless of if your examples are actually true or not.

I think for you to say everything you said, and try to deny you're biased against Italians, is truly sick.

 
 
 


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